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MessageSujet: question!   Ven 1 Juin - 16:18

d'après vous combien de membre le MLO comporte t'il? et que savez vous de cette organisation, je sais qu'il faut être un membre pour avoir le livre "Liber azerate" mais peut être que vous en savez davantage, merci!
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MessageSujet: Re: question!   Ven 1 Juin - 18:38

Je pourrais theoriquement te fournir des extrait assez consequent de Liber azerate . laisse moi un peu de temps .

En ce qui concerne le nombre de membres , et bien je pense que cela ne doit pas depasser les cent . Je parle ici du noyau dur Mlo sweden .
Ensuite il y'a les affiliations , Werwolf legions stockholm etc ....

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MessageSujet: Re: question!   Ven 1 Juin - 19:27

javais lus des extraits sur le site du MLO mais je ne m'y connais pas assez en références religieuses, je suis plus interressé par le genre de rituel que pratiquent les membres comme par exemple comment atteignent t'il l'état de gnose.
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MessageSujet: Re: question!   Sam 2 Juin - 19:44

c'est vrai que c'est interressant, ça. ce serait cool de pouvoir avoir accès à une partie de Lieber Azerate..... Au pire, si tu veux pas le mettre en ligne, on peut t'envoyer nos adresses mail.
Sinon, en ce qui concerne la gnose je me souviens que sur le forum de Dissection (officiel) ils recommandaient un livre écrit en français: Les Gnostiques de Jacques Lacarrière. C'est assez facile à lire et interressant. Par contre c'est surtout historique, tu n'y trouveras pas de conseils pratiques.
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MessageSujet: Re: question!   Sam 2 Juin - 22:39

ok merci pour l'info!!
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MessageSujet: Re: question!   Dim 3 Juin - 11:50

No problem Wink
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MessageSujet: Re: question!   Lun 4 Juin - 0:27

Jon avait lui même expliqué un peu tout ça dans une interview mais je ne sais plus exactement laquelle,faudrait fouiller dans les archives...

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MessageSujet: Re: question!   Mar 5 Juin - 18:50

Au fait, au moment où on parle de MLO, leur site est inaccessible. Problème momentané de maintenance ou un truc plus sérieux?
Wait and see....
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MessageSujet: Re: question!   Mar 5 Juin - 19:00

hmmm .... ce n'est peut etre pas plus mal .

Les extraits de Liber azerate ne sont pas ceux du site je crois . Je rergarderai bientot . desolé je n'ai pas bcp de temps en ce moment .

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MessageSujet: Re: question!   Ven 15 Juin - 16:08

Ici vous aurez quelque chose à propos de l’ essence du Satanisme Anti-cosmic.


Satanic aphorisms (Anti Nomus)


1. Be as a werewolf, a bloodthirsty wolf disguised as a human sheep; for it is only when you succeed in concealing the face of your true self from your enemies, that you will be able to hunt freely among them.

2. One strong action is worth more than a thousand empty words.

3. Lucifer is our ideal, therefore we must ourselves also be the bringers of revolution, wisdom and liberation.

4. In the world of the dreamers, the awakened ones are gods.

5. A society is formed when enough weak humans who have united, creates laws and rules to protect them selfs against the wrath of the strong. Thus, make it your goal to always be the societys enemy number one.

6. The Brilliant light of Lucifer will always remain darkness in the eyes of the blind.

7. The lie offers comfort to the weak, while the grim truth sets free and makes divine the strong.

8. Lie to others if you must, but rather take your own life than start lying to yourself.

9. Let your will be the only law and mercilessly punish every transgression.

10. The elite can never degrade itself and sink to the level of the unworthy scum, democracy must therfor always be fought by all and any means necessary.

11. Only through terror can the elite minority make it self heard trough the wailing of the subhuman majority.

12. He who is the most enlightened casts the darkest shadow and is thus considered by the unenlightened as the bringer of darkness.

13. Only subhumans are limited by the illusory morality and laws of the status quo. The Satanist, who has transcended these illusions, are free and beyond good and evil.

14. Make war against peace and fight for the sake of war itself. For it is only in the heat of the battle that the wolves can be separated from the sheeps.

15. Learn to know yourself, for it is only through the identifying of your own limitations that you will learn to transcend all your imperfections. Self knowledge is therefore the only key to perfection.

16. The seed of knowledge can only grow in fertile soil, and must be watered with the water of Azoth. Only then can dark wisdom break up the stagnating forms and structures, and make chaos florish.

17. It is foremost by representing and acting as our dark gods, that we can advance and elevate ourselves to their thrones and become one with their essence.

18. By fearlessly entering the darkness of the unknown, we will find our own inner luciferian light.

19. Those difficulties and obstacles that do not kill us, only hardens us, and the most hardened among us is the one who stands closest to Satan.

20. Nothing purifies the strong so well as the spilt blood of their enemies.

21. At times of peace, only parasites flourish.

22. Ruthless and without mercy, destroy everything and everyone who stand in your way, for mercy and pity are the stigmata of the weakest.

23. The fulfilment of a satanic life is the way that the satanist dies. For the last victory of the strong is to die in battle.

24. Our will is the law and our law is chaos.



MLO

MLO is a Chaos-Gnostic Order which seek the true Light of Lucifer through the study, development and practice of all forms of dark, gnostic and Satanic Magical systems.

Our goal is to create a synthesis between the dark traditions of all the ancient aeons, in this way creating the occult keys that shall open the gates to the forthcoming Endless Dark Aeon.

MLO study and practice all mysteries of the Left Hand Path, but our official and main directions are three primary dark paths that the Order consider to be the most potent. These three dark paths are The Draconian Setianism, The Sumerian Chaos-Gnosticism and The Kliffotic (Anti-) Kabbalah. All of these three religious, philosophical and black magical systems are, in the form in which they are practiced within the MLO, Anti-Cosmic and has the function of bringing disharmonic Chaotic energies into Cosmos, this way speeding up the evolution that leads the creation back to the formless Chaos that it descends from.
MLO identify the Cosmos (the formed and settled universe) as the creation of the foolish demiurge and as the prison where the Black Flames, that are parts of the primaeval Chaos, are kept imprisoned. The Black Flame is the pre-cosmic, non-created spirit and is the power that burns inside the illuminated and the strong which makes them seek themselves back to the pandimensional Chaos, which is the origin of all things.

The misanthropy of MLO is based on our Gnostic views and the contempt we feel against the creation as a whole and the weak human cattle who willingly have given up their struggle for total freedom, thus having allowed the demiurge to extinguish their Chaotic heritage, The Black Flame, and having allowed themselves to be enslaved by the false light. Hence, elitism and superhuman ideals are an essential part of the philosophy of MLO, which also strongly permeates the esoteric work of the Order.

The most important goal of MLO is therefore the liberation of the inner Black Flames through the transcending of the limitations of the time and space-bound Cosmos. This Anti-Cosmic transcending can only be reached through the awakening, strengthening and the raising of the Black Flame, or the Black Dragon, that lies dormant in the souls of the strong. This raising of hidden (dark) potential can only be reached through the receiving of Gnosis, i.e. knowledge. This knowledge/gnosis is synonymous to The Torch of Lucifer, Prometheus’ Fire, Samyaza’s Gift, The Black Fire of Ahriman, The Venom of Taninsam, The Smokeless Fire of Typhon and the Philosopher’s stone of the Alchemists. For it is only through the knowledge and wisdom that comes with the experience and the direct contact with the dark powers from beyond the limited Cosmos, that we can open the eyes of the Blind Dragon and annihilate this illusory prison that prevents the limitless and eternal becoming of the spirit.

It is therefore our task to guide our members, by means of the esoteric work, to come in true contact with the powers that the Dark Gods represent, in this way giving them concrete and tangible knowledge of the nature of the Anti-Cosmic current. This will sometimes involve the exposing of oneself, both psychically and physically, to deadly peril for life and soul. This, in turn, serves to strengthen, harden and darken the spirit, this way speeding up the Anti-Cosmic evolution and the receiving of dark Gnosis.

This separates MLO from the imitation satanists of today, who have created a tame, non-dynamic, essenceless and pacifistic/atheistic form of what they call Satanism. Satanism in its true and primal form is the religion of the secret elite and is not for the weak-minded, apathetic masses. It is therefore Anti-Satanic trying to portray the Left Hand Path as the harmless worshipping of the ego and something that the prevalent world order and society should accept.
MLO also dissociate themselves from the so called Christian Satanists who claim to worship and believe in the biblical “fallen angel”. Our Alchemistic view on the Satanic current and Satan himself has got nothing to do with the Christian schizophrenic delusion that has served the purpose to frighten and enslave the apathetic masses.
MLO view Satan as the wild and Chaotic power that constantly breaks down all stagnant and essenceless forms that prevents the infinite and limitless becoming of the Acausal (Azoth).

True Satanism is dark, dangerous, strengthening, pleasurable, sinister, illuminating, liberating, deadly, beautiful, awe-inspiring, evolutionary, revolutionary, mighty and elitic. MLO is true Satanism.

Because of our current aeonic strategy we have now once again opened our doors for the strong and the elect who cultivate their inner Dark Acausal Flames, this way giving the scattered family, i.e. the secret elite, the possibility to apply for membership in MLO.

For more information and personal contact, write a letter consisting of at least three typed pages describing your philosophy, knowledge of Satanism and Magic as well as the reason why you want to join the Misantropiska Lucifer Orden. Drug addicts and feeble-minded individuals should not contact the Order. MLO does not tolerate weakness!

“Our will is the law and our law is Chaos! HAIL AZERATE!”

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MessageSujet: Re: question!   Ven 15 Juin - 16:09

The Satanic Creed

I acknowledge Satan , the god of the raging Chaos , as my king and father , and submit myself to his only law - which is total lawlessness.
I believe in the truth which is beyond all forms, and in one word that will destroy the lie: That word is wisdom.
I believe in the battle and the cause, which is the bringing forth of the dark aeon, and i am therefore prepared to sacrifice my ennemies and if necessary my own blood to hasten the return of the Dark gods.
I believe in courage, strenght and power and therefore despise pity, mercy and cowardliness, which are the shackles of the old aeon, that hold the weak enslaved.
I believe in discipline and loyalty . For to achieve our goal,which is Chaos,order must first reign in our own ranks.
I believe in the formula of the endless dark aeon which is " Chao ab ordo " and look forward to the dissolution of the prevalent cosmic order.
I believe in essence without form and power without end, and i am therefore prepared to sacrifice all upon the bloodstained altar of freedom.
I believe in Chaos, the origin and the end of all things, and declare it's avenger and messenger , Satan, as the outer aspect of my inner might.
therefore I praise the Dark Lord with my heart and soul and await the final war, victory and triumph that shall come.

Hail Satan! Hail Victory! Hail Chaos!

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Early Christian beliefs are grounded in the 1st century CE - many still believe Satan (Lucifer) is an angel fallen from Gods kingdom (I have heard it said that because of his jealous dislike of Gods "ultimate creation", human beings, Lucifer was enraged by our "free will and mortality" seeing it as a gift/burden unbestowed to Gods own angels who were expected to submit under Gods almighty rule. He protested that no good could come from such beings). Turned insane and evil he is totally dedicated to the destruction of everyone's lives. He is a supernatural being who "walketh about the earth, seeking whom he may devour,".
Modern Christian churches tend to view Satan as a principle or concept of evil, without any physical existence or personality - . It is believed that the human Will is able to be influenced/tempted by both Gods Will and Satan's Will (good and evil) and it is our sole/soul purpose to choose (freedom) between the two... so that we may enter into Gods Kingdom in Heaven or fall to Satan furious chaotic Hell.
The Catholic religion sees Satan as a Foul Spirit, a spirit that can influence or inhibit human behaviour. Early Catholic religions included a strong belief of Satan's possession of souls, leading them to perform exorcisms, witch hunts and research into primitive forms of torture techniques. Modern or rather scientific influences on todays religion no longer see Satan as attacking people and attempting to posses them but a force "lurking within all individuals." The Pope explained "how Satan was absolutely vanquished by Christ, however, Satan is still present today attempting to seduce individuals into committing wrongful acts." There are a million different beliefs of Satan and God... Evil and Good - as centuries have passed this concept has been regurgitated, mutilated and twisted into prime examples of ALL the forms of religious piety.
Anton Lavey's Satanism of "Do what thou will" reflects a modern model of born-again christianity whereas instead of the Will giving praise to Christ it is placed with Satan (or the Self). Although Lavey makes a connection to the spiritual world through primitive animalistic behaviours in man stating that Gods Will (if he exists) is that we indulge in our animalistic urges and all forms of physical, mental or emotional gratification. His flaws are within his reasoning of intelligent life forms, anyone who has read his Satanic Bible or heard of his Church of Satan would conclude that the man has no background in human history and behaviour or scientific study. On the surface his ideals may look like a guide to being your own God but his Eleven Satanic Rules correlated with his Nine Satanic Sins declaring himself as a religious speaker serves only to reveal a man greedy enough to want to indulge in any act that enters his mind yet just like any other religious leader his weaknesses and insecurities leads him to seek followers.
Aleister Crowley is noted by the quotation "Do what thou wilt, shall be the whole of the Law" with the following response of "Love is the Law, love under Will" which has a very different meaning to Lavey's "Do what thou will". I find many of Aleister Crowley's works to be interesting. He was a fascinating individual and I would recommend some of his books (Gems from the Equinox for one) which he states to be "The Great Work", Aleister believes this is delivered to him from a higher existence or form, his (often) drug induced spiritual journey recorded for anyone to read. Despite his impressive life of study, arts, craftsmanship, mountaineering, and ritual magik I think of him as a disturbed individual who wrote some interesting concepts of the human spiritual existence. Unfortunately like Lavey his human desire for acceptance compelled Crowley to join and form religious orders.
Left Hand Path followers as a general rule adopt - "let my will be done" believing that the Will of each the physical and spiritual world are not seperate but a reflexion of both. That is to say that destruction of either is destruction of both no one shall ever rule over the other. Judgement is not place by one over the other and the Individual Will is defined by a Universal Will, which is neither physical or spiritual and has no Greater force or God controlling it. Right hand path followers tend to be seen as - "let thy will be done" being submissive in the worship of a deity or divine force through a religious structure and restrictions. Conforming to spiritual belief through false Will, restraining their connection to the Universal Will.
The MLO's anti-cosmic/cosmic beliefs seem to be based on a concept of the anti-cosmos being a preexisting form (chaos), in crude terms, "that which existed/ruled before all creation or order." I am not too sure here and just theorising myself, but I think they're understanding is that a Demiurge (a deity who orders or fashions the material world out of chaos) has enslaved individuals into the cosmic (material) world thus limiting them to the cosmic order in which they now dwell. It would seem the black flame that burns within these individuals manifests a struggle or war for an anti-cosmic release (Azerate). Jon: "Azerate is the wholeness of the Anti-cosmic current that with its chaotic fires burns black holes in the cosmic barriers preparing for the complete invasion of cosmos by the Wrathful Chaos." - Last Judgement, Armageddon anyone?
Avoiding believing in terms of our souls going to Heaven or Hell our spiritual flame returns to the origin of which it came devoid of form or material creation free from the shackles (infact entirely everything) of the cosmos. Disposing of all forms of existence yet still embodying the will of Gods? Perhaps it is meant that those who bare the Black Flame return as these Gods?
Jon: "...burns inside the souls of the strong which we call the black flame." Also "Azerate is the hidden name of the Anti-cosmic gods, and is the key to the locked gates of the dark dimensions."
Has anyone here read more on the MLO? When it was formed or by who?
In my opinion anyone who wants to make a connection to their spiritual self or soul should not ignore who they are, what they are or where they come from. Study of human history, earths history, ancient law and theoretical, philosophical or religious doctrines or anything at else that makes them passionate about their own existence.
Suicide should not be viewed as a weakness or an indication that someone did not try and believing that the pain or problem will continue to ail someone after taking their own life wouldn't stop someone who really felt the need to die. There are very few things in this world that could leave me to perform such an end to myself, but I am aware there are some, lucky for me I am not sure how truthful these feeling are because my reasons to live are still with me. I dont feel any condemnation or ill will towards anyone who has committed suicide or who shall do so... my thoughts are for those they left behind and perhaps if they thought more about that they would be here, obviously this even may not be enough.
I feel it regretful that so many of you are so young and feel negative toward yourself and your place on this earth.
My personal view of Satan and Satanism is that it the word(s) represents a complete and total freedom (opposition hence the adoption of the term Satan) from religious/spiritual congregations. I stand alone yet I am not lonely.
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MessageSujet: Re: question!   Ven 15 Juin - 17:21

C'est cool Satanized. Wink
depuis la fermeture du site -d'ailleurs je crois que tu t'es trompé c'est mlo-scandinavia.net- on ne trouve plus ces textes, heureusement que j'en avais photocopié quelques-uns ainsi qu'une interview d'un gars avec un pseudonyme (je me demande d'ailleurs si ce n'est pas Jon lui-même, car cette interview avait été faite par un web-zine métal dont je ne me souviens plus le nom) que je pourrais mettre sur le site quand j'aurai le temps si ça intéresse quelqu'un.....
Par contre au début du dernier texte, est-ce l'extrait de Lieber Azerate dont tu parlais?
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MessageSujet: Re: question!   Jeu 5 Juil - 19:07

Le site du MLO n'affiche plus l'erreur 1500 lorsqu'on veut y accéder, il- y- est affiché le message suivant:

THE SITE WILL BE SOON REOPENED WITH NEW TEXTS AND OTHER UPDATES!
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Bon j'aime pas trop la tournure de la phrase, on dirait un site "normal" en reconstruction qui fait patienter les gens en leur promettant des nouveaux trucs, ce n'est pas trop ma vision de ce que ça devrait être mais après tout chacun le fait comme il le pense...
Mais bon je ne me fais pas trop de soucis, je pense que ce message veut surtout dire que le site ne rouvrira pas (ceci sans aucune garantie évidemment) et que cette page va rester ainsi indéfiniment.
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MessageSujet: Re: question!   Jeu 5 Juil - 22:55

On sait jamais ils ont peut être tout remis à jour,faut voir.

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MessageSujet: Re: question!   Ven 6 Juil - 14:21

Tu sais caporal , il faut pas se donner de vision de quelque chose ou quelqu'un ... L'aura Evil qu'on lui donne est souvent fausse et loin de la verité . Mais franchement je prefere quelqu'un qui est drole et qui deconne mais avec de veritable convictions Sataniques , plutot que le mec qui veut se la peter true evil et qui n'a que de la gueule ... Dans leur phrase ils mettent de l'enthousiaste , comme toute personne croyant a sa cause . Impatient de voir ce qu'ils vont mettre.

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MessageSujet: Re: question!   Ven 6 Juil - 15:44

Il n'y a pas de problème là-dessus moi aussi je pense qu'il vaut mieux et surtout qu'il est plus sain de prendre le temps de déconner et pas chercher à tout prix à afficher une attitude (où même ne serait-ce qu'un look!!) et un tempérament "evil". D'après ce qu'il m'a été donné de voir, cette attitude témoigne souvent plus d'un mal de vivre, d'une grande gueule comme tu le dis Satanized ou d'une volonté dogmatique de ne pas se dévoiler que de réelles convictions satanistes. Or si ça te plaît pas, pourquoi être sataniste ou quoi que ce soit d'autre hein? Le faire par dépis ou par provocation ne veut bien sur absoluement rien dire, y'a pas de doute la-dessus...

Il faut bien dire que ce site n'est de toute façon qu'une façade, une sorte de "pub", qui explique bien les lignes directrices du mouvement mais qui n'explique que peu sur les pratiques, et l'objet de mon message portait la- dessus: je pense que l'effort fourni pour obtenir ses sources fait partie d'un processus, et cela ne saurait se résumer à trois clics.

Et de fait, les gars du MLO pensent cela.... même si moi aussi, n'y connaissant pas grand-chose, je suis curieux de voir ce qu'ils vont mettre, il ne faut pas à mon avis, se voiler le face: Les textes qu'ils pourront mettre en ligne n'auront qu'une importance toute relative, au vu de ce qu'il faut montrer afin de seulement intégrer le premier cercle du MLO (après un minimum de six mois d'initiation, on a accès si on répond aux critères, à de nouvelles sources et "quelques" rituels...). Je voulais donc souligner cet écart entre l'enthousiasme affiché et l'intérêt de ce qui sera (probablement ) mis en ligne. Néanmoins, si cela se fait, leur initiative est bien entendu à saluer.
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MessageSujet: Re: question!   Ven 6 Juil - 15:53

Bon sinon je vous met une interview du MLO, c'est un peu long, j'espère que j'ai pas foiré mes copier/coller car je pouvais pas le faire en un coup: Bonne lecture.


An interview with the Swedish organisation MLO, this is an interview for those who are interested in other things. If you only want to read about Metal I guess you should drop this. I got a lot of shit for featuring stuff like this in SLAYER but what can I say? FUCK OFF perhaps? This is SLAYER and I feature what want. Remember, the name is SLAYER, not BE NICE TO YOUR MOTHER. I think you; the readers should enjoy this, as it is quite an exclusive thing.

What does it take, personally, to become a Satanist?


Noxifer: - A Satanist is a person who takes on the role as the constant ”accuser” and ”opponent”, and who wholeheartedly struggle against status quo with a view to bring forth the personal development and evolution that only can be reached through Chaos. What it takes from a person who ”wants to be a Satanist” is a strong will to power and an even stronger attraction to the unknown, secret and sinister wisdom, that is Lucifer’s gift to the few chosen superior humans who venture into the burning path, which is the way of the Transcendental Anti-cosmic Satanist.


Misanthropy and contempt for society are also essential parts of the true Satanism. Because if a sufficient will shall be able to exist to attain the spiritual evolution and bring forth the endless dark aeon, which is the highest goal for the Anti-cosmic Satanist, there must also exist a burning hate against the prevalent order and the human sheep who gladly submit to the tyranny of the demiurge and the light, pro-cosmic religions. To be able to want to transcend the present cosmic state and become one with the dark gods, who are different aspects of the raging Chaos that reigns outside cosmos and the settled universe, the Satanist must have the ”black flame of Chaos” burning inside. Hence, the black flame is by far the most important concept within the Anti-cosmic Satanism.


”The Black Flame” is the esoteric name of the part of the primal Chaos that still burns inside the dark souls of the strong ones. This black flame is the same power that the Sumerians referred to as ”The Blood of Kingu”, the ancient Egyptian Draconian cults called ”The Seed of Apep” and the Kliffotic and Anti-Sephirotic magicians called ”The Flame of Molok”. The black flame is also the ”pneuma” of the dark Gnostics and was also called ”The Divine spark”. It is this divine spark that is the spirit of the Chaos-Gnostics and the Anti-cosmic Satanists. It is their inner driving force that make them struggle against the cosmic order, life after life, to in the end reach the understanding and wisdom that shall completely awaken the black flame of Chaos/the blood of Kingu and burn the physical and spiritual shackles that keep us imprisoned in this cosmic prison, that the ”demiurge” (i.e. the foolish creator) created in the beginning of time.


We were created out of Chaos, against our will, but the black flame strengthens our will and gives us the possibility to seek back to our origin; the wild, dark, paradoxical, fearful, beautiful and eternal Chaos, which is the dragon Tiamat. Therefore it is essential for a person who desire to walk on the left and sinister path to have understanding of the inner black flame, which is the reflection of the external and eternal black flame, Lucifer our cruel and proud father, the bringer of light! The black flame shall set the world on fire! HAIL KAOS!


What does it give you being a Satanist? Do you feel that you’re part of a greater concept?


Noxifer: - To be an Anti-cosmic Satanist and Chaos-Gnostic is to us the same as following our own true will, leading us to immortal power and eternal freedom in Chaos. We enter into the darkness of the unknown hunting for the forgotten and dreaded treasures. For we know that our own self-made light, the light of Satan/Lucifer, will guide our steps. Satanism is the path leading us away from the ”creation of god” towards the divinity of one’s own soul. Through the practice of the black arts and our studies we know that we’re on the right track, through the labyrinth where weaker individuals went astray. This gives us great satisfaction. Satanism is the only thing that makes life worth living. For what should this life, among human sheep, that was forced upon us be without the pleasures, ordeals, dangers, battles and victories, as well as the true darkness, ”evil”, hate, death and infernal wisdom that the dark gods make accessible to the few strong and chosen ones (the elect) who dare to tread the path of the black dragon. Satanism is the salvation for the strong and the annihilation to the weak. We look up to the dark gods that we, when we have reached all our goals, will become one with. We shall break through the cosmic barriers and through the dark portal return into the dragon’s womb. Thus, the answer to your question is; Yes, we are a part of the greatest concept. XEPER-I-APEP!


What are your rewards when dedicating your life to Satan(ism)?


Noxifer: - We have already answered this question, but might add that we see Satan as the part of the raging/anti-cosmic Chaos that has been described as ”the black light”, which is the name of the power that counteract the creator (the demiurge) aiming to crush cosmos and its creator, this way re-establishing the primal state of formless Chaos that ruled before the light and the demiurge came into being.


One of the aims of Satan/Lucifer is to set free the parts of the eternal black flame that are being imprisoned within cosmos. Thus, when the Satanist dedicates himself to Satan(ism) he also dedicates himself to his own liberation. The Anti-cosmic Satanist is the guardian of the black flame/the blood of Kingu and the reward for keeping the black flame burning through the past thousands of years is to become elevated to the black thrones of the ancient gods of darkness and chaos. To become the living portals leading to Chaos! But the highest goal and the final reward for the Satanist is to become one with the dragon of Chaos, free from the shackles of cosmos. SILIM-MADU TIAMAT!


Some say you’re a Satanist since the day you were born. How do you view that?


Noxifer: ”Being Anti-cosmic Satanists, as we are, we know that we consist of body, soul/astral body and spirit/the black flame. Every time we die, the body and the astral body is killed and the cosmic prana/life-force these two bodies contain is being sucked back into cosmos being recycled in the cosmic circulation. Some black magicians are able, through the practice of vampirism, to program their astral bodies to feed upon the life-force of other living creatures after the death of their own physical body. This way preventing their post-mortem astral bodies from being recycled by the cosmic powers. However, those who practice astral vampirism are in most cases not Anti-cosmic Satanists and don’t carry the black flame inside. They therefore deny the existence of the spirit/black flame and see the soul/astral body as the deepest essence of their existence. It is therefore of the utmost importance for these ”vampires” to keep their astral bodies alive to avoid the ”second death”, i.e. the death of the astral body.


We, on the other hand, who have the black flame burning within us and through the past aeons have stood up against the attacks from the gods of light whose objective is to put out our inner chaosfire, this way disconnecting the dark links that bind us to the powers of Chaos, do not care for body and soul/astral body. For we know that as long as the black flame is burning, with the help of a dark mind and a strong will, we will reincarnate life after life. This process is called ”being chained to the wheel of life”. So if the black flame was burning in your past life then it will be burning inside you this life too. Having this in mind you can say that you’re a Satanist since the day you were born.


However, it is important to bear in mind that the demiurge has the objective to extinguish all black flames, that are burning him and his creation from within, and therefore force us to drink from ”Lethe”, the river of oblivion, each time we die, making us forget the struggle of Chaos against order and the fight of the inner chaos fire for liberation from cosmos. Because of this we sometimes need to be awakened from this slumber and oblivion that the demiurge puts us in. This awakening is usually called ”the bite of the serpent, that opens the eyes of the elect”. To deliver the ”bite of the serpent” to awaken those of us who slumber is therefore also one of the missions of the Anti-cosmic Satanist. Consequently, the Satanist don’t want to redeem the masses, like the religions of the right hand, but the dark and sinister elite that we ourselves belong to. HELL SATANACHESH! Death to the weak!


You are involved in MLO (Misantropiska Lucifer Orden). Tell us some more concerning this organization. When was it started, how many members etc.?


Noxifer: - Misantropiska Lucifer Orden is an Order dedicated to the anti-cosmic powers and to the fortification, liberation and ultimately the reaching of the divinity of the inner black flame. One of our goals is to gather and reunite the elect, who life after life have acted as living portals to the Chaos that reigns outside the barriers of cosmos. Those who through the channelling of the disharmonic and anti-cosmic energies have contributed to speed up the anti-cosmic evolution and the initiation of the endless dark aeon. MLO want, by means of uniting and concentrating the black chaos fires that burn inside these chosen warriors of the left hand path, to burn new holes in the cosmic consciousness and to open new dark portals in the collective unconscious of mankind. This way contributing to the dark gods’ invasion of cosmos and the human psyche.


MLO study all dark esoteric doctrines and practice anti-cosmic black magic to increase the powers of our members and the dark gods, both on the spiritual and the material plane. By bringing about the eclipse of our own spirit we darken the macrocosm in large. Still, there are three main branches within the black magic that MLO explore and practice. All of these three dark pathways lead to anti-cosmic freedom and eternal might in Chaos. They are the Sumerian Chaos Gnosticism, the Draconian Setianism and the Kliffotic Anti-cabbala. By developing and to a certain degree combining these three systems, we want to create new dark mythologies, philosophies and rituals that shall contribute to the personal evolution of our members and the reawakening of the black flame in those who in this present life dream the forced dreams of oblivion.


The more exoteric ambitions of MLO is to give room for Anti-cosmic Satanists to interchange thoughts and ideas with likeminded individuals, in that way promoting their progress on the left hand path, which is the path of the black dragon. MLO perform Anti-cosmic Satanism which, by exposing us to real danger, hate, might, strength, battles, darkness, death and chaos, strengthens our identification with the dark gods that we look up to. Our path is therefore a severe and dangerous one that puts our members to the test and sorts out the weak. For it is only the strong that have the will to power, and who realize that knowledge is power, that manage to walk on the burning path. It is through our studies that we plant the seed of power inside our own spirit and when the seed has grown and blossomed we can perform our powerful magic. The Satanist is the herald of Chaos, that at all times should personify might, darkness and sinister gnosis. That which doesn’t make us stronger kills the spirit, and we must therefore constantly strive for progress and anti-cosmic evolution. MLO have for example a completely different structure and build-up today than we had say four years ago. We keep on changing and developing with every day that passes, but our goals will always be the same. Chaos = Evolution. Those who don’t become stronger must die in order to make way for the mighty. ”Might is right!”


All information on our members are confidential and no such information will be given to the public, but we might add that our Order (founded in 1995) today is stronger than ever before, and so is the chaos fire that burn the creation from within! HAIL AZERATE 218! AVE NEX-FERO!
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What does it take for someone to become a member of MLO? And what does it give?

Noxifer: - For a candidate to be able to become a member of MLO, he/she must wholeheartedly sympathize with the misanthropic and anti-cosmic values of our Order, and also be over 18 years of age. The candidate should already be an Anti-cosmic/Chaos Gnostic Satanist and a practicing black magician, ready to dedicate his/her entire existence to following his/her true will in accordance to the will of the dark gods. The candidate should then contact the Order by writing to one of our contact addresses (that are to be found by those who have the will to search for them), for example by mail, describing his/her convictions and interest for joining MLO.


If the Order find his/her letter serious and intelligent, the candidate will be introduced to a contact person, a brother/sister of the Order and its second grade. The candidate will then for at least six months be subject to an introduction to the basics of MLO, our anti-cosmic magic, philosophy and mythology/demonology. The candidate will also be given instructions in how to build his/her ”black altar” with the ”broken pentagram” in focus.


If the contact person makes the estimation that the candidate has a burning interest in the works of MLO and that he/she in some way can contribute to the development of the other members, he/she will after a minimum of six months be initiated into the first and outer circle of the Order, the Misanthropic Legion or &#x201DThe circle of Taninsam”, becoming a member of the Order and its first grade. As a member of the first grade the candidate will have access to more esoteric scriptures and several rituals as well as taking part in most of the activities of the Order like; meetings, feasts and rituals. Before the candidate/member of the first grade can reach the point of becoming a full member (member of the second grade and the first inner circle of MLO, becoming a ”Priest/Priestess of Satan”) he/she must first, for at least one year, show his/her serious devotion and loyalty towards the Order and our evolutionary anti-cosmic work. It is then up to the contact person to estimate if the candidate has the black flame burning inside and would be suited for further membership in MLO.


If the contact person makes a positive estimation the candidate will be initiated into the first inner circle and become a ”Priest/Priestess of Satan” and a member of MLO and its second grade. Thus the journey on the burning path, the path of MLO, begins. ”Per aspra, ad astra!”


Within our Order we look upon each other as different reflections of the dark gods and assist each other with everything that can facilitate our spiritual progress. But we do also assist each other with the more physical and material sides of our anti-cosmic struggle. For example removing everything and everyone who dares to stand in the way of any of our members. We who are Anti-cosmic Satanists are always prepared to kill and die for each other, for we know that no one else in this strange world (in which we are strangers) deserves our loyalty. By the dark links of the black flames we, who serve the raging Chaos, are forever united. HAIL LUCIFUGE ROFOCALE!”


It seems like MLO is pretty active looking for and recruiting new members, how can you make a proper judgement of who can join or not? And have you been contacted by a lot of not worthy people?


Noxifer: - MLO don’t seek new members, new members seek MLO. Mankind consist of human cattle that, because of their own weakness and apathy, have allowed the demiurge to put out their black flames of Chaos, that in the beginning of time was burning inside their souls. It is these sheep that now gladly submit to the cosmic tyranny and the foolish demiurge. It is therefore a matter of course that we also have been contacted by some of these fools, thinking that Satanism is some kind of game. However, we usually sort out the wolves from the lambs quite easily. Contacting MLO with non-serious intentions usually carries its own punishment. It is only about one percent of all those who call themselves Satanists that has a value and it is this secret elite that still carry the divine spark of Chaos inside. The dark tree of wisdom must be watered with the blood of the unworthy. Only then we can harvest the fruit of true knowledge! Hail misanthropy! Hail the elect!

Is it possible to be a member of MLO as well as some other Satanic organization?


Noxifer: - It is possible to be a member of another Satanic organization simultaneously being a member of MLO, only if the philosophy, values and doctrines of the other organization aren’t in opposition to what MLO stand for. For example it is impossible being an active member of ”LaVey’s church” at the same time being a member of MLO. We don’t, however, regard ”LaVey’s church” and its bastard offspring ”Temple of Set” as Satanic organizations. Yet, it must be added that in comparison with the activities of LaVey, Temple of Set is a far more serious and intelligent organization. But they are still not Satanic. Their first mistake was trying to make Setianism and the ruler of darkness, Set, into something accepted and harmless, this way attempting to become a ”big” religion, accepted and acknowledged by the rest of the Judaeo-Christian society. Satanism is not for the apathetic masses, but for the elect that have the will, knowledge and power to transcend the limitations of life and death to become one with the gods of Chaos.


The Satanist spits at both the laws of ”god” and man and follows the formula of our father Satan/Lucifer: ”Chao ab ordo”, which means ”Chaos from order”, and thus follows his own law, which is the true will of the eternal black flame of Chaos. When it comes to the late Mr LaVey and his organization, it is the opinion of no less than every Anti-cosmic and traditional Satanist that LaVey and his ”church” has nothing to do with real Satanism. Their ”role-play Satanism” is nothing but ordinary atheism spiced with some pseudo-occultism and weird fancy dresses. It’s not enough to dress up in black clothing wearing a pentagram around your neck to be able to call yourself a Satanist. Satanism is the tool of the sinister elite for reaching the liberation of the spirit/the black flame (making it immortal) and is not to be defiled by apathetic scum. True Satanism is about constantly representing and acting like the physical manifestations of the dark gods, and through the way we lead our lives act as dark portals and bringers of change, evolution/revolution and Chaos. There hardly exist any other organization practicing true Satanism, and the members of MLO have no interest in joining them either.


Do most of the members have a Black Metal background?


Noxifer: - Most of our members don’t have a Black Metal background. Yet, there have been and still are those in MLO that through music spread our dark messages and the energies that we work with. It is through planting ”the dark seed” in the unconscious of the masses that desired changes in the human psyche can be achieved. It is when the dark seed grows and come out in blossom that Chaos will flourish. Apperiatur terra, et germinet Chaos! On the whole, MLO has got nothing to do with Black Metal!


A lot of people playing in Black Metal bands claim to be Satanists and don’t do anything more about it. Do they form a purpose or do you see them as sheep?


Noxifer: - We and other Anti-cosmic and traditional Satanists have always done what others only dare to sing, write and speak about. Satanism is the religion of the active. It has sadly enough for too long served the purposes of ignorant, and foremost cowardly, fools. What is dead serious to us, seems to be nothing but ”exciting role-play” for others to use for selling their unmusical and worthless records. Still, there has always been a small core of serious Satanists who have been using music in order to spread our message and the disharmonic chaotic energies that they have channelled through their music. Music has always been used by Satanists to open the dark portals of consciousness. Today, there are bands in Sweden, Norway and Holland who through their music and lyrics channel the anti-cosmic energies that MLO act as a portal to. Yet, 99 percent of the scene is completely worthless and has got nothing to do with true Satanism. Lay down your musical instruments and pick up your weapons. It is time for war!


Tenebris: - Speaking about Black Metal, I would like to state that Black Metal being “Satanic music” performed by “Satanists” is nothing but a great illusion. For example; how many of those involved in the black metal movement ten years ago still claim to be Satanists today? Let’s leave this as an open question, ok! I guess we all know the answer anyway. By the way, how many of them were seriously involved in the practice of the black arts? Needless to say, Black Metal was and is in most cases nothing but just another superficial musical fashion. Hence, Black Metal has got nothing to do with the practice of real Satanism, except maybe its imagery to a certain extent, and 99 percent of the bands have no deeper meaning with it. Of course some were and are serious about their Satanic music, but they belong to the last one percent of the scene, and are obviously very rare. Therefore, we have no illusions whatsoever about the black metal scene, and even though some of our members have a Black Metal background our Order as such has got absolutely nothing to do with it.


Tenebris, you were involved in a rather successful band yourself. How come you became more interested in Satanism than (Black) Metal. How important is Metal to you these days?


Tenebris: - Music and Satanism are obviously two completely different things, but when it comes to my song writing being a Satanist naturally colours my music in an extraordinary dark manner. I see my music and lyrics as a way of expressing both my conscious and subconscious, giving praise to the dark. Thus, writing music for me is a spiritual experience. Something dark and sacred. However, I experienced a vast gap between what I personally was doing and what was actually happening around me with the torrent of Black Metal becoming just another fashion for human sheep wanting something ”extreme” or ”exciting” to indulge in. I was sick of all these so-called ”Black Metal Satanists” letting music come in first place and Satanism in second, or third, or rather no place at all. When confronted, very few of these guys proved to have a sincere and genuine need or interest to experience the dark for real (Satanism, black magic and occultism). It was all just talk, at its best. I began to see through the masks these people were wearing and I figured I didn’t have much in common with them after all. Disillusioned, I gradually outdistanced myself to this ”scene”, starting to cultivate a deeper relationship with Satanists of the more serious kind, forming a brotherhood dedicated to the sincere worship of Lucifer and the powers of Chaos. This, however, didn’t mean that I stopped writing or listening to music. Of course I still enjoy all that. It rather meant that I came to focus on my magical studies/works and my journey on the left hand path together with brothers and sisters, whose black flame was burning just like mine.

Have you had a lot of people interested in joining who have chickened out?


Noxifer: - In the early days of MLO we came in touch with certain unworthy people who pretended to be something they never could be. When these scum, that we within our Order now humorously refer to as ”the living dead”, were exposed to different situations that could be a little dangerous, demanding and really Satanic, they turned their backs on the Order, by running away, telling too much about the activities of our Order to uninitiated and in certain cases even by testifying against certain members of the Order during various trials. However, these weak whores taught us to have a lot heavier demands on those who want to join the Order. By learning from our mistakes we became stronger. These unworthy traitors are of course familiar with the fact that there only is one punishment for infiltrators, traitors and those who consciously stand in our way. Yet, there are more important things to do than thinking about these unworthy pigs. These “living dead” will in course of time surely get to know the wrath of Alastor! ”God ” maybe forgives, but MLO don’t! Dies irae, dies illa, solvet saeclum in favilla! Vocamus te aeshma-diva!


There are already a lot of so-called Satanic organizations out there, what makes MLO different?


Noxifer: - We don’t agree at all with this statement, but we agree with the fact that there are many who claim to be ”Satanists” and members of different ”Satanic” organizations. The few serious Satanic Orders that exist are usually secret until some member makes a mistake and is arrested for some crime against the human laws. It is first then that these groups, against their will, attracts attention from the Judaeo-Christian media. A real Satanic Order can never, because of the nature of the Satanic work, be open to the public and it could never be possible to join such an Order only by paying a member fee. All humans are equally worthless, until they have proven the contrary. What makes MLO different to the organizations who claim to be Satanic, is that MLO truly is a Satanic organization. To the contrary of all worthless scum, we practice what we preach and do everything to reach our Satanic goals. No price is too high and all means are allowed. MLO is Anti-cosmic Satanism! We are the Satanic elite.
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MessageSujet: Re: question!   Ven 6 Juil - 16:01

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A lot of Satanic cults deny the existence of a personified Satan. Why do these people call themselves Satanists when they don’t believe in that?


Noxifer: - MLO see Satan, Lucifer, Set, Apep, Kingu, Typhon, Ahriman, Samael, The black light, Angra Mainyu, Surt, Loke, Diabolus and Shaitan as some of the names describing the driving force of the raging Chaos, which counteract and fight the demiurge and the cosmic order. When the primal Chaos was defiled by the demiurge’s existence and the order and stagnation he created, the power that, inter alia, is called Satan was the first anti-cosmic current emanating from the post-cosmic raging Chaos. This anti-cosmic emanation, which is our father Satan, was created by the raging Chaos to act as the antithesis to the demiurge and his creating of form from formlessness, light from darkness and order from chaos. Satan/Lucifer is the external and eternal aspect of the anti-cosmic and sinister impulses, which constitute the deepest essence of our inner black flames. As a result of this, we are through the inner portals of the black chaos fire forever linked and united with our lord Lucifer/Satan. Through us, parts of the power that is Satan have access to the cosmic plane, while this emanation that we call Satan (the first out of eleven anti-cosmic emanations) itself is based outside the barriers of cosmos and with its raging darkness prevent further expansion of cosmos. We are Satan’s living portals that through our thoughts, feelings and actions channel his energies into cosmos, in that way poisoning and slowly killing the world’s soul. In nomine Satan, ob-umbro anima mundi! Thus, Satan is both an inner and an external power whose existence is completely independent of the human psyche.


The names, symbols and myths that we use to describe the first offspring of the raging Chaos, are all human inventions in order to describe the indescribable, that we only can reach acquaintance with through true contact. But the power, that we call Satan, is much older than the human consciousness. Those who have been in spiritual contact with the energies of our father cannot deny his existence, and those who never have enjoyed the brilliant darkness and power of our father have neither any right to call themselves Satanists. The blind fools who call themselves Satanists without believing in the existence of the Satanic current, are misled lambs that we, the wolves of Satan, shall tear apart. Ad majorem Luciferi gloriam! The day of wrath draws near!”


Why is Christianity such a big target?


Noxifer: - Christianity is an equally big target as all other pro-cosmic and demiurge-worshipping religions. The people who gladly submit to the enslavement of the slave religions, like for instance Christianity, have completely melted together with the cosmic energies, and the black fire that once was burning inside their souls was extinguished a long time ago. The pro-cosmic religions serve the purposes of the demiurge and their function is to forever put out all black chaos flames that are burning within cosmos. This detestable world that we live in today is shaped by the moral values of the slave religions, and that fact alone should make all of those with the smallest ounce of a chaos fire inside to fight against these religions and burn all their houses of lies to ashes.


The demiurge, that by the pro-cosmic religions and their priests have been called Atum-Ra, Marduk, Jahve, Allah, Ahura-Mazda, Zeus and so on, make use of his priests similarly to the way that Satan make use of us. It is therefore important to fight these weak insects both physically and spiritually, and in Satan’s name crush them. Christianity is an anti-evolutionary religion, with the objective of preventing the development of the strong, pulling them down to the level of the weak. Christianity is the opposite of everything that strengthens the spirit and is only good for killing what little that is beautiful, noble and honourable in this filthy world. The same goes for judaism and Islam. We therefore support everyone, who through their concrete actions, show their hatred against these filthy slave religions. Burn their churches and kill their priests!”


Is there an easy way to describe the belief of MLO?


Noxifer: - It is not possible for us to describe our convictions in a briefer way than we’ve already done in this interview, but it will soon be possible, for those who are interested in catching a glimpse into the Anti-cosmic Chaos Gnosticism and black magic of MLO, to order a handbook in Anti-cosmic Satanism. The book is called ”Liber Azerate – The Book of the Raging Chaos” and it is written by MLO Grand Master, Frater Nemidial. It is scheduled for release the 31st of October 2002, for all those who wish to enter the path of the black dragon. For the first time the ”forbidden rites” will be accessible, ready to awaken the black flame of Chaos inside the elect, elevating them to the thrones of darkness!


What is the main purpose for MLO and how realistic is that goal?


Noxifer: - The main purpose of MLO is anti-cosmic evolution. Also the fortification, and in some cases the reawakening, of the black flame of Chaos. Our goal is to unite the elect who consciously walk the path of the black dragon (the Transcendental Anti-cosmic Satanism). To concentrate the powers of the eternal black flame and burn further black holes in the world’s soul (anima mundi) and the collective unconscious of mankind, to open new dark portals to Chaos, this way contributing to the beginning of the endless dark aeon and the invasion of cosmos by the disharmonic and sinister energies. Also, one of the most important goals of MLO is ”Chaos gnosis” (wisdom/understanding of Chaos). It is only through interchange of thoughts and ideas with likeminded people as well as the study of the esoteric dark doctrines and the channelling of the anti-cosmic energies into one’s own spirit, that we can reach wisdom and open the eyes of the blind dragon Tanin’iver and see through all cosmic lies, weaknesses and illusions, and in that way transcend order and become one with Chaos. MLO serve the wrath of the ancient gods and we prepare ourselves, by means of our spiritual work, for the final war when the eleven ones ultimately shall defeat the ten. When the inner darkness is strong enough to defeat both the internal and external light, the parts of the divine spark which are imprisoned inside the demiurge’s creation will be set free. MLO intend to, by means of our work, strengthen the inner darkness of our members, this way darkening the world’s soul. This goal is very realistic! As above, so below!”


What kind of rituals do you do? How often is that organized?


Noxifer: - MLO perform both ceremonial and hermetic rituals, with the purpose of bringing about such changes, with the dark, sinister and chaotic energies that are generated, concentrated and directed, that corresponds to the will of our Order and the dark gods. MLO use the power of the will and the anti-cosmic current to obtain both spiritual and worldly power, and also to remove all obstacles that the forces of the light might place in our way. In general, most of the rituals and ceremonies of MLO derive from the Sumerian chaos gnosticism, the Draconian Setianism and the Kliffotic black magic.


For example we practice rituals of invocation to become possessed by our demonic gods and acquaint with their wisdom and power. We practice rituals of evocation to call forth and manifest the dark and anti-cosmic energies on the physical plane. We practice rituals of purification to banish the unwanted and weakening energies with which the light attack us. We practice rituals of initiation to initiate different stages of the burning path and to bring us together with different magickal currents. We practice power rituals to strengthen the spirit and to awaken the black dragon (the black kundalini). We practice rituals of malediction to weaken, torment, drive insane, vampirise, punish and kill our enemies.


According to ancient tradition, blood rituals are also practiced within the Anti-cosmic Satanism. Vast amounts of energies (i.e. the life-force) can be directed to different purposes. For example; to fortify a specific current or keeping the energy inside a talisman. Giving away the energy as a gift to one of the dark gods, this way strengthening its manifestation on the physical plane, or using the energy to make new cracks in the astral barriers to open new dark portals. Blood rituals also serve many other purposes. Like for example; building strength of character and a strong identification with the dark powers in those who practice these rituals. Letting them come in true contact with darkness, this way contributing to the eclipse of their souls and the strengthening of their Satanic predator mentality. It is this mentality that separates man from the superhuman and the hunter from the prey. Even lesser blood rituals can be used, and are most often so during these rituals, but then the released energies are not as strong.


We also want to state that all so-called Satanists who deny blood rituals as a part of the true Satanism are false and ignorant fools who don’t have a clue of what they’re talking about. Satanism is all about crossing borders and about developing into a god of darkness. To be able to reach this state the Satanist must both have the ability to create and to destroy.


MLO also practices other kinds of rituals and ceremonies, in accordance to the Satanic will and the black flame, to effect such changes in the world that further support our Order and the anti-cosmic evolution on a large scale. These rituals are held as often as it’s necessary, and being Anti-cosmic Satanists we, for example, don’t find it necessary to wait for any meaningless pagan feast to hold our black rites, but practice our dark art/science whenever we wish to do so. Si libet, liket!”

What was the story on MLO and The True Satanist Horde, what was the link there?


Tenebris: - The True Satanist Horde had, contrary to its name, unfortunately nothing to do with real Satanism and its practice. They of course claimed to be Satanists but just playing black metal, wearing corpse paint and inverted crosses doesn’t, however, make a Satanist. It was all just a lot of talk and they had gotten away with that for years. So when MLO had formed back in ’95 we asked the guys if they were interested in the real deal. Obviously they were not!


How important was the link to the Norwegian Inner Circle?


Tenebris: - Personally, I can say that it meant a lot as long as it lasted. Back then, in 1991, things mainly concerned black metal and ideological Satanism (not so much practical Satanism, but anyway...) and we were all burning for it! Like the most natural thing the Black Circle (or the Inner Circle if you like) was formed, and the plans were huge! It grew quickly to become some sort of black metal army. It was however rather poorly organized and kind of stood and fell with Euronymous and his shop. Therefore, it vanished with his death in ’93 and all arrests at that time. Anyhow, these years were somewhat intense and I can look back on them with a smile on my lips. Sadly enough, many people involved at the time betrayed their ideals and lost their interest when things fell apart. Like it was nothing more than a hype of temporary nature.


An interesting story is the one about IT (Abruptum/Ophthalamia), who was at one time running The True Satanist Horde. There are so many rumours concerning him. That he chickened out and left for Finland. Do you know anything about that?


Noxifer: - Life is full of disappointments and the situation you’re asking about was one of them. Don’t ask the devil for a dance if you’re not prepared to dance until death!


Are there any organizations that MLO support or even work together with?


Noxifer: - One year after some MLO members ended up in prison, an outlaw organisation and brotherhood called Werewolf Legion was formed. WL, which consists mainly of non-Satanists, has a close collaboration with MLO and even though most of its members aren’t Satanists, they are all warriors, outlaws and misanthropes. F.T.L! There are also plans to start up WL in Norway and Holland, for it is in these countries (besides Sweden) that MLO is established. The only Satanic organization that we support is O.N.A. and its subsections. We also support a certain American ”Order of vampires” that, to the contrary of all silly ”role-play-vampires”, practice true vampirism. Besides these ”occult” organizations we also support all true outlaw organizations. Hail MLO! Hail WL! Hail Satan!
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MessageSujet: Re: question!   Ven 6 Juil - 19:24

Ah ouais en effet elle est un peu longue!!

Ca t'a permis de te faire une idée?? Tu en penses quoi finalement??

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MessageSujet: Re: question!   Sam 7 Juil - 17:23

Ben comme je l'ai dit je ne pense pas que l'on puisse se faire une idée uniquement avec des paroles et une description assez large, ce n'est que dans la pratique qu'on peut le faire... On peut lire dans l'interview que Lieber Azerate avait été mis en vente en 2002, mais je ne l'ai pas. Par contre il va sortir dans l'année un livre pratique d'un gars (Vexior 218) qui a travaillé "en étroit contact avec un ordre satanique suédois". D'après plusieurs détails -dont sa signature, son travail sur le satanisme anti-cosmique- je suis à peu près sur qu'il s'agit du MLO, je pense que ça va se préciser. Je pense qu'on pourra se faire une idée un peu plus précise...
Autrement, de ce que j'ai lu, j'aime bien l'idée qu'ils ont du satanisme : opposition de TOUT ordre établi, travail sur soi pour évoluer et progresser. J'aime également l'aspect gnostique mais j'avoue avoir un peu de mal à comprendre leur concept de chaos -si quelqu'un peut me renseigner Wink - qui semble être beaucoup plus étendu que la chaosophie classique...
Sinon, on constate quand même pas mal de points communs avec d'autres ordres nordiques, ne se réclamant pas forcément du satanisme, comme
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: le parcours initiatique draconien est bien présent, on le retrouve dans le livret et la première chanson de Reinkaos(refrain: "eleven to kill the ten!"). Dans Dragon Rouge, les 11 étapes de ce parcours correspondent à un processus de divination la onzième étant "au- dela des limites de la création", pour le MLO au retour du Chaos. (je ne sais d'ailleurs pas si c'est vraiment différent, du fait que je n'ai pas saisi juqu'où allait leur concept du chaos, il semble que cela corresponde également à une transcendance). je ne sais d'ailleurs pas s'il n'existe pas des liens entre les deux mouvements, peut-être certains d'ici le savent-ils ?
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MessageSujet: Re: question!   Sam 7 Juil - 19:21

Tout a fait Caporal blutch , c'est evident que quelques lignes ne pourrons donner satisfaction a l'envieux d'aller plus loin . C'est la toute la beauté et la definition meme de la connaissance : Le fait que ce soit Esoterique ( pas accessible a tous ) . Si la connaissance etait exoterique , elle ne serait plus ce qu'elle etait . Certaines choses doivent demeurer secretes et rester des mysteres pour le commun des mortels . De toutes manieres , des lignes directrices si extremes ne feraient pas bon ménage avec une société a volonté humaniste ( Je dis bien volonté seulement , car il est plus qu'évident que le monde actuel est on ne peu plus meurtrier ) .

J'ai beaucoup hésité pur ma part a poser une " candidature " fut un temps . Mais je me suis appercu que le MLO est en fait une canalisation de bcp de doctrine déjà etablies , hors ces doctrines diverses et variées , je ne les ai pas toutes etudiées . ET SURTOUT : Je ne veux pas faire un melting pot de plusieures choses afin de me creer une doctrine qui me convient . il n'ya selon moi qu'une seule et unique verité , pas SA PROPRE verité . Ce qui m'interesse donc est d'apprendre a travers la vie , tel un apprentissage , pour pouvoir avoir plus de capacité dans la mort . Je ne peu me consacrer a plusieurs systemes tout en sachant qu'a l'origine ils avaient tous un chmin tracé avec sa finalité au bout . Et de voir que le MLO les utilise en ayant leur propre but ne me convient pas . C'est le point qui m'a fait comprendre que cette assossiation ne me convenait pas a 100 % . Neanmoins c'est une des rares associations interessante . le concept de Chaos , de retour a un etat malefique pur sans le regne de second ordre d'un Demiurge ( Dieu en locurence ) est vivement interessant . Le fait que le Mal ne se limite pas a la terre , que le combat est purement dans l'ame , et que des " breches " peuvent etre ouverte permettant ainsi aux ames noires enfermées sur terre de communiquer avec leur berceau originel , ca c'est une base relativement importante t biensur bien réelle . Chaque personne un minimum sensée peut s'en appercevoir rien qu'en acceptant les appels obscures de la vie de tout les jours . Et ça , ça commence meme avec des frissons procurés par un riff obscure de votre groupe favorit . Meme ces infimes signes sont a prendre en compte je pense .

Autre chose qui ne me convient pas dans le MLO , c'est l'adoration ( ? ) de plusieurs Dieu ... a moins qu'ils utilisent tout ces noms comme des particules du Chaos .. Mais personnellement je vénère UN Dieu . Et le fait de se battre contre tout ordre établit est une chose importante pour tout Sataniste , mais cependant , des fois inutile quand on sais de quel bord on est . Une fois la revelation de soi meme acquise , on peut controller et rassembler ses forces pour un but bien precis . Bon leur but etant le chaos c'est sur que foutre le bordel partout et combattre absolument tout est de rigueur ... Mais pourttant il me semble avoir compris qu'une discipline de faire etait tres importante au sein du MLO ... enfin je divague ....

Pour les 11 etapes dans Dragon rouge ... Et bien je pense que Le MLO a des similitudes voir meme des influences avec le travail de Crowley qui a lui meme etudié et " remanié " la kabbale juive ( qabalah ) . Les 10 sephirots d'origines sybolisant la perfection de Dieu ( yhwh ) se sont transformé en 11 qliphots ( si je n'm'abuse ) , où qui le veut bien decouvrira les origines du mal . Bref , tu peux commencer a chercher sur ce chemin là ...

Je ne vois pas l'utilité des qliphots ... ( je suis sur qu'il y'en a une mais pour l'instant ) pour trouver un tort et une faille a dieu ... Elle est déja réelle et bien distinguable si on cherche bien : L'émanation de Dieu dans la kabbale juive passe a travers les sephirots qui ont ici le role de filtre afin de nous permettre de ne pas mourrir par la puissante lumiere du seigneur . Hors son émanation etant si forte que l'un des Sephirots ( Binah je crois ) a été brisé , ne pouvant plus contenir la lumiere ... Le mal , selon certaine théorie , resulterai de cette anomalie . Moi j'appel ca une faille dans la perfection . Alors je ne sais pas si tout ca est vrai , et ca fait bien longtemps que je n'ai pas lu mes bouquins sur ce sujet donc peut etre que je dis des conneries . En tout cas une chose est sur pour moi ; Vous allez peut etre trouver ca primaire , mais le simple fait que le Mal existe est synonime de l'imperfection de dieu . Ce qui lui enleverrai systematiquement la notion de Divinité . Dieu a une faille ? il n'est donc pas parfait et par consequent relegué au second rang dans la course a la vérité .

Ensuite les plus tenaces pourrons dire que Bien et mal émane de la meme personne , que le mal a été envoyé sur terre par dieu ( qui peut se permettre de faire le mal quand il veut , c'est dieu merde ! ) pour une raison quelconque ... Mais ça moi je n'y crois pas . On dit toujours que l'ombre a besoin de lumiere pour exister , mais ce n'est pas vrai .

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MessageSujet: Re: question!   Sam 7 Juil - 23:58

En tout cas Tobias Kellgren ne pourrait pas te renseigner sur le MLO,j'ai trouvé une interview ou il aborde cette question,en passant je vous mets tout ce qui concerne Dissection.

En parlant de satanisme, qu’en penses-tu ? Es-tu en relation avec le Misanthropic Luciferian Order (MLO), fondé par Jon Nödtveidt, le leader de Dissection ?
Ok, il y a deux questions… Pour la première, je joue du death metal et rien d’autre. Je pratiquais le satanisme il y a quelque chose comme deux ans en arrière, mais c’était plus pour moi un concept, une idée… Concernant la seconde partie de la question, la réponse est non, je n’ai pas de contact avec le MLO ni ne le soutiens. Je ne suis pas vraiment fan…

Es-tu toujours en contact avec lui ? J’ai appris que Faust jouera de la batterie sur le prochain album de Dissection… Tu n’étais pas intéressé par le fait de reprendre ta place dans Dissection ?
Non, je n’ai plus aucun contact avec Jon… Il ne fait plus partie de mes amis ! S’il m’avait demandé de jouer sur le prochain album de Dissection, j’aurais dis non. Beaucoup de choses ont changé depuis 1997. Ça aurait pu être cool, car j’apprécie toujours Dissection en tant que groupe, et je trouve toujours la musique aussi bonne. Je suis d’ailleurs très fier d’avoir joué dans un groupe comme Dissection !

Sur le ‘Live Legacy’ de Dissection, tu n’apparais que comme simple musicien de session… Pour quelles raisons ?
Ce point est assez amusant ! En 1997, date à laquelle ce live a été enregistré, Dissection était un groupe à part entière, les quatre musiciens étaient réunis sous le nom Dissection, et il n’y avait pas de musiciens de session qui tienne. Le problème est que je n’étais pas fan de ce live et j’aurais préféré qu’il ne sorte jamais, donc je n’ai eu droit à aucun crédit. Le label ne m’a d’ailleurs même pas envoyé une copie du CD, et cela m’a beaucoup déçu…

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MessageSujet: Re: question!   Dim 8 Juil - 10:54

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Je ne veux pas faire un melting pot de plusieures choses afin de me creer une doctrine qui me convient . il n'ya selon moi qu'une seule et unique verité , pas SA PROPRE verité
C'est absolument de cela que je parlais... Il est évident que ce que tu décris pour cet ordre montre une influence de la chaosophie moderne: "Rien n'est vrai, tout est permis"... Donc tu peux prendre tout type de rituel, si tu parviens à tes fins, ces rituels seront considérés comme bons ( peu importe quelle est leur valeur intrinsèque véritable). Ces choses peuvent apparaître assez loufoques quand on voit que des chaotes utilisent certains rites lovecraftiens alors que la mythologie amenée par cet auteur résulte d'une pure invention artistique: Ce type de pratique met donc en avant les capacités de l'Homme puisque la subjectivité et l'interprétation de celui-ci peut former la réalité si le chaote est totalement concentré dessus (le fameux état de gnose) jusqu'à en faire une vérité objective.
J'ai longtemps cru cela à propos du MLO, or aujourd'hui ce n'est plus vraiment le cas. Je pense que le melting pot est fait pour les pratiques rituelles, mais pas pour les dieux: Je pense que le MLO n'"adore" pas plusieurs dieux mais bien un seul et que la seule chose qui diffère entre eux est leur nom, c'est-à-dire l'influence humaine: Sinon, dans le concept, ces différents dieux représentent "la flamme noire", qui a elle aussi plusieurs noms selon les civilisations... Ainsi leur concept de chaosophie semble être particulièr puisque c'est réellement un travail de retour à ce qu'ils appelent le chaos (c'est ce chaos-là qui est assez difficile à cerner puisqu'il semble que chaque explication humaine du concept ne fasse que le réduire, les mots n'étant que de simples images inventées par les hommes pour communiquer, donc éminemment cosmiques puisque cela ne tient que de la représentation). Les mots ne peuvent constituer que des barrières et sans la pratique, tout cela reste vain...

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leur but etant le chaos c'est sur que foutre le bordel partout et combattre absolument tout est de rigueur ... Mais pourttant il me semble avoir compris qu'une discipline de faire etait tres importante au sein du MLO ... enfin je divague ....
Tu ne divagues pas du tout moi aussi c'est quelque chose qui m'avait frappé quand j'avais découvert cela, le paradoxe est très fort... Le seul nom de l'organisation, "un ordre" , qui se reflète par cette discipline et même la hiérarchie en son sein soulève le débat: Pour une organisation gnostique et chaotique (dans le sens qu'il m'apparaît aujourd'hui), c'est en effet assez étrange...

PS: merci pour ton explication sur les onze étapes.
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MessageSujet: Re: question!   Ven 13 Juil - 14:33

Je suis du Québec et j'aimerais bien discuter avec quelqu'un du forum qui est intéressé par le MLO et leur philosophie. J'aimerais bien en discuter en ''chat'' instantané via msn messenger. Alors si quelqu'un est intéressé voici mon adresse. inpeacefullnonexistance@hotmail.com
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